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Just from viewing the watch--isn't that Jeff. Davis inscribed in the foreground of the watch? (Jefferson Davis) Maybe the watchmaker was giving more information than we realize.

Very interesting. A nice piece of hidden history. It is a small, personal fact that has relevance even today. Like a software programmer inserting a piece of hidden code.

On the inside of watch... are my eyes playing a trick or does it say "Jeff Davis" ? Abv. for Jefferson Davis??? Confederate Pres. during Civil War... I didn't see any make mention of this in article.... please respond back... just curious... amazing find... and interesting article... my dad would have really enjoyed this article... he was a US Civil War Historian. Thanks

Why does it also say Jeff Davis? Does that refer to the rebel leader?

what letters had written on the white dial?
a maker's name?
If so,Which one's name?
Does anybody know what was that?

Thanks

Lincoln purchased the watch from George Chatterton, a Springfield, Ill., jeweler.

You can find more information about the watch in the press release: http://americanhistory.si.edu/news/pressrelease.cfm?key=29&newskey=973

Should we not examine the possibility that at the time of the inscription, this man was a southern sympathizer. The story of writing in Lincoln's watch would be too juicy not to tell his family, and assuming no one would ever see it, he might have seen no reason not to tell the story as though he had been on the winning side all along. However... writing "Jeff Davis" in bigger letters would be the equivalent of a southern rebel choosing to engrave "Abe Lincoln" at a significant moment. It is inconsistent with the story. Also, it seems more likely that a southerner would have written "thank God we have a government" about the newly formed and functioning government (including Davis) that had just formed (and taken action), than the federal government that had been around for many years and was more taken for granted. Thoughts?

I beleive there were more than one person making inscriptions. There appears to be another person who signed his name near the center (L.E. something). Also another date: July 1, 1864. The handwritings seems different as well. Could be each time the watch was repaired, an entry was made by the current watch repairer?

A commentor writes: "On the inside of watch... are my eyes playing a trick or does it say 'Jeff Davis'? Abv. for Jefferson Davis? Confederate Pres. during Civil War..."

It certainly appears so. There is also, just above the "Jeff Davis" inscribe, there appears the date "Sept 1864" and another name "L E Gnols...".

As it was common for watch repairers to inscribe notes on watches, I suspect the watch was again repaired in 1864 by a southern sympathizer, living in DC.

This, of course, makes the story even more interesting and remarkable, imho.

The date April 1861 also appears in the upper left of the image. But I can't read the words under that. What does it say?

I am amazed that you do not comment upon the inscriptions, "Jeff Davis" and, in the same handwriting, "LE Grofs" and "Sept 1864."

Contrary to Mr. Dillon's 1906 statement to the New York Times that, as far as he knew, no one else ever saw the inscription, Mr. Dillon would have known that the watch required cleaning and oiling at least once a year (and in the extremely dirty and humid conditions of muddy Washington, DC, before air conditioning, swamp drainage, or "horseless carriages," probably much more often). For a watch that the Washington Post equates to a $5000 dollar watch today, Lincoln would not have skimped on its essential care. Mr. Dillon is said in other accounts to have been the only Union sympathizer in the M.W. Galt and Co.'s jewelry shop on Pennsylvania Avenue, which would have been convenient to the President, and to which he might very well have returned the watch for maintenance and repair.

It is obvious that L.E. Grofs did not share J. Dillon's sentiments and posted counter-graffiti, September, 1864. The most amazing part of this story was left unsaid--that the President of the United States was unwittingly carrying a tribute to his nemesis, the President of the Confederate States, during the height of the Civil War, and in the year in which his own re-election was very much in doubt! The irony of this is even greater than if Winston Churchill had unwittingly carried a secret inscription to "Adolf Hitler," dated "1945," in his watch. Apart from the partisan sentiments that Mr. Grofs expressed, he also demonstrated a rich sense of humor.

Seriously, how cool is that. It's like a real life national treasure discovery. Very nicely written as well.

Over 100 years (!) after its interview with Mr. Dillon, the New York Times printed a correction to their 1906 article last week stating that it "misstated part of the inscription, using information from Mr. Dillon (who the article noted had, at 84, “a remarkable memory.”)" Check it out: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/pageoneplus/corrections.html?ref=todayspaper

I posted this on the Smithsonian blogs, from my research....

L. E. Gross is very probably Louis Edward Gross, age 22 or 23 when he inscribed his name and “Jeff Davis” in Lincoln’s watch. He worked for Joseph M. Walter a jeweler in 1860, listed at 58 N. Howard St., Baltimore, Maryland in 1857 and later at 85 N. Eutaw St. in 1879. L. E. Gross died around 1870. He may have had several brothers in the Confederate military service. Mr. Dillon is listed on the 1870 New York census and may have moved by 1864 from the Washington area.

This is really cool.

I am Laurie Stiles Daynes, a great-great-granddaughter of Jonathan Dillon's and a first cousin of Doug Stiles. Our family has been inspired all of these years with the story of Jonathan and of his repairing Abraham Lincoln's watch and leaving a special note of support within it. I am so grateful to Doug and the Smithsonian Museum of American History for bringing to light this special and moving moment in our great country's history and in our family as well. I was given a bracelet made by "Grandpa Dillon" from my father (his great-grandson) many years ago which has always made me feel connected to Jonathan and my great-grandmother (his daughter) Isabella. All of his children's names are inscribed upon it. Interestingly, my son is completing his Eagle Scout project which involves raising funds for the flag pole, the Civil War period flag and landscaping inside a historical veterans' cemetery where over 50 Civil War Cavalry and Infantry Soldiers, discovered in Tucson while building a courthouse there, will be buried next month. How wonderful for him to be helping provide a beautiful, and final resting place for these noble veterans who were living at the same time his 3rd great-grandfather's message in their President's pocket watch was being inscribed and has now been revealed and shared. This teaches us that special family stories which have been passed down through the generations, should continue on to inspire and teach us of those who came before us...

Extremely interesting. This is one of those finds that can make everyone think of how close everyone is connected. To think that a time piece has connections to both the Confederate President and Union President.

Lincoln truly was the most magnificent man who ever lived, he was "to the manor born", I am in such awe of this man, all of his person, historical and everything about him, just overwhelms me. And I also believe that he was assassinated because he was such a great man, and that evil truly was the cause of his death, as he could have been so much more if he had remained alive. He is one of the greatest tragedies ever, I believe that, and I deplore the fact that we lost him, he was indeed such a treasure, but he lives on today in so many ways, I pray this country he loved so much and did so much for and died for shall not perish from this earth. His memory shall keep us alive. Bless him and what he did for us, so many things, so much wisdom, he was the most awesome and greatest man who will ever live, surely one whom God gave to us, and hopefully we will continue to treasure and honor him always.

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